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  • Purported pro-natalists penalise parents

    Purported pro-natalists penalise parents

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    Won’t somebody please think of the children? Specifically about tariffs’ effects on their parents’ pocketbooks??

    The US is putting 25-per-cent tariffs on goods from Canada and Mexico starting on Tuesday, along with another 10 percentage points of tariffs on China. That news was big enough to overshadow the Trump Administration’s weekend promise to create “strategic reserve” for alt-coins. (That’s another post.)

    For those of us who have only looked at economic policy after the 1930s, a tariff is a levy on goods coming into the US. If commodities are priced on the margins (they are) and if companies pass on their cost increases to customers (they mostly do), tariffs start looking like pieces of paper that says “Make Prices Higher” for everything that’s imported, or that’s made of imported goods.

    That’s a lot of stuff, especially because this round of tariffs is aimed at Canada, China and Mexico:

    Financial markets made it clear that investors do not love this. Stocks fell sharply, and retailers’ shares were hit, with Dollar Tree down 5.6 per cent and Dollar General off 3.1 per cent. This is presumably because the US executive branch’s Make Stuff More Expensive Plan, if it persists, will mean Americans won’t be able to buy as much stuff.

    While this bodes poorly for automakers, as MainFT has covered in depth, there’s a decent chance that prices won’t rise immediately on durable goods. This is because producers seemed to use that extra month of tariff delays to rush imports of inventory and materials. As an aside, Jason Furman had a helpful explanation today about why that boost in imports is probably dragging down the Atlanta Fed’s GDPNow figure into spooky recession territory.

    But for our US readers who like to eat healthy, or have children, there is a more urgent concern: Tariffs on fresh produce, like berries, which can not be ordered in bulk and held in a warehouse for months.

    Kids love berries. Berries are already expensive. Most kids love strawberries. And Mexico was the source of nearly 99 per cent of imported strawberries available in the US in 2022, according to the latest data from the Census Bureau.

    While the US has a pretty robust domestic strawberry-growing business, imports still made up nearly 19 per cent of available supply from 2018-2020, according to the USDA.

    For all berries that aren’t strawberries, we get about 51 per cent of our imports from Mexico and Canada, according to the Census Bureau.

    A whopping 62 per cent of available blueberry supply was imported in 2018-2020, according to the USDA. While blueberries are imported from a wider range of countries, roughly a third came from Mexico and Canada in 2020:

    In other words, we’re talking about a 25-per-cent price increase on roughly one-fifth of available blueberries and strawberries in the US.

    For vegetables — equally important for kids, if less loved — nearly 70 per cent of imports come from Canada and Mexico. (This is going by the somewhat puzzling NAICS category that excludes potatoes, sugar beets and corn, but includes melons.)

    Again, fresh produce markets are fundamentally commodity markets, meaning they’re definitely priced on the margins. Because of this, it’s tough to argue the tariffs won’t matter for prices at the grocery store.

    These unfriendly maths could also help explain US President Donald Trump’s decision to take another step towards agricultural autarky Monday, with this post threatening tariffs on exports of agricultural products.

    But there are pretty clear problems with any US attempt to fully replace some of that supply . . . for example, the blueberry-growing seasons in Michigan or Oregon probably don’t extend through January and February, when it is summer in Peru.

    To take a step back: US officials keep saying they want Americans to have more kids. If so, it could help to make it a little less expensive to do that. No need to worry about car seat requirements! It’d be fine to just avoid unnecessary berry price increases. We might be able to put chicken coops in our backyards, but growing berry bushes is a different matter altogether.

  • For some bankers, the Trump-Vance showdown had a familiar ring

    For some bankers, the Trump-Vance showdown had a familiar ring

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    The intensity and hostility of the Oval Office clash between Donald Trump, JD Vance and Volodymyr Zelenskyy has left many observers taken aback. For those of us who have spent careers in investment banking, however, the scene had a familiar ring.

    What unfolded in that meeting mirrored a strategy used by some leaders in finance: the use of rhetorical dominance as a substitute for substantive dialogue. It’s a tactic wielded in meeting rooms and on conference calls when actual arguments are in short supply. Designed to shut down opposition, it reinforces the pecking order, and remind the other parties of their place. The repeated demands for gratitude, the warning not to “litigate” the issues “in front of the American media,” the reminders of Ukraine’s weakness — these kinds of statements aren’t meant to foster real debate; they’re meant to stifle disagreement.

    Every investment banker has seen this in action. And these tactics sometimes pay off. Most banking veterans can recall times when the bullies got the promotions while the collaborators were sidelined. These apex predators don’t climb the ranks by fostering fresh ideas or building consensus; they ascend by tightening their grip on their fiefdoms and wielding power with ruthless efficiency.

    Early in my career, I proposed a carefully structured block trade, only to have it summarily shot down by senior managers who, as it later turned out, had incurred unrelated trading losses they didn’t care to disclose. Instead of a straightforward explanation, they deployed the standard arsenal: “We’ve beaten this issue into the ground and there’s nothing left to discuss”, “We’ve backed you so many times before”, “You’re not being a good partner.” The message was clear: Drop it or risk losing crucial allies for future deals. Shut up and take the L.

    So I made the awkwardly mortifying call to the client, walking back the nonbinding price indication I had previously given (an indication I had cleared internally with the same senior leaders). Days later, a competitor executed the exact same trade at a sharper price, earning an eight-figure fee and lavish client praise. I could only seethe in silence. Internally, no one acknowledged the blunder. Even now, many years later, the memory stings. Could I have pushed harder? Maybe. But that would have been career seppuku.

    On another occasion, a commitment committee call to approve a convertible bond underwriting took a turn when a senior banker — clearly set against the deal for no discernible reason — started peppering my colleague with rapid-fire questions. She handled each one with aplomb and precision, but his frustration only grew. Finally, he snapped, “Please stop lecturing me about this stuff. I was doing convertibles before you were even born.” A long, airless silence followed. That was the moment we all knew the deal was dead. The rationale didn’t matter. What mattered was that we had failed to pay homage to him early enough. He hadn’t just appointed himself gatekeeper — he had anointed himself high priest, and the temple doors were staying firmly shut.

    Just about everyone I know across the City and Wall Street has similar stories, often much more lurid, yet only on rare occasions will the exchanges result in an HR complaint. There’s no profanity, no explicit misconduct — but just enough residual unpleasantness to leave the recipient feeling undermined and victimised, partly because there’s no clear avenue for redress. Similarly, while Trump and Vance may have been harsh towards Zelenskyy, they can plausibly argue they relied on forceful rhetoric rather than outright abuse.

    Of course, many senior banking leaders don’t operate this way. In fact, most of the people I reported to over the years valued informed debate and constructive pushback. And it wasn’t always a black-and-white case of dominance or dialogue — some leaders would run roughshod over those they saw as weak or out-of-favour while showing respect, even deference, to others perceived as stronger or able to defend themselves. This is much like Trump’s contrasting treatment of Zelenskyy and Emmanuel Macron; the American president tolerated disagreement from the French president in their meeting far more than from his Ukrainian counterpart.

    When rhetorical dominance prevails, it creates a self-perpetuating cycle. A leader surrounds himself (it’s usually, though not always, a man) with sycophants, discourages challenging perspectives, and creates an environment where subordinates spend more time deciphering his whims and wishes than developing sound strategies. The resulting atmosphere of confusion and obsequiousness undermines institutional effectiveness, and yet, paradoxically, the leader’s grip tightens. 

    This approach might deliver short-term wins — bigger compensation pool allocations, more headcount, internal victories — but the long-term consequences are steep. Morale withers. Market share erodes. Innovation dries up. Key considerations are overlooked. Meanwhile, the architects of this culture keep rising, leaving others to clean up the wreckage.

    To be fair, there are moments in investment banking when decisiveness has to trump endless debate. When dealing with politically savvy colleagues (and most bankers excel at internal politics), excessive consultation can stall necessary reforms, derail change, or compromise strategy. As an erstwhile mentor once told me, “Sometimes you have to steamroll people to get things done.” I’d like to think that when I led teams, I relied on my powers of persuasion rather than naked appeals to my own authority — but at times my patience wore thin, and decisions had to be made, cutting off discussion and dialogue.

    The White House dispute has, at least temporarily, scuppered the agreement between the US and Ukraine to develop Ukraine’s natural resources. While Trump and Vance may not have mastered the art of the deal, they have perfected the art of stifling dissent and ostracising anyone who defies their authority — an expertise still alive and well on Wall Street.

  • And the FTAV charts quiz winner is . . . 

    And the FTAV charts quiz winner is . . . 

    Only one reader got both hints (almost) for last week’s charts quiz, despite our attempts to hit you over the head with them.

    Sure, even with lithium’s increased geopolitical importance, it might’ve been ambitious to think someone would know the CME launched a spodumene futures contract last year.

    But 1) the post’s subhed was a line from Nirvana’s “Lithium”, 2) the picture was from Nirvana’s “Lithium”, and 3) we changed the beginning date on the chart so the line didn’t actually start until the futures contract launched.

    More readers submitted correct guesses about the PNUT shitcoin, which is one of the dumbest lines to be used on an FTAV quiz.

    Anyway, here are your chart answers to review:

    This is the stock chart for Snap, which has been mentioned offhand as a potential acquisition target for AppLovin.

    This is the CME’s new spodumene futures price (continuous, via FactSet).

    And this is the market capitalisation of the Peanut the Squirrel shitcoin (PNUT).

    Big congrats to Erik Johnsson, who has outquanted the rest of you. Unclear whether he got the Nirvana references, though. Better luck next week.

  • Portfolio trading — now also A Thing in European bonds

    Portfolio trading — now also A Thing in European bonds

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    Yes, we’re going to write about portfolio trading, again. Our previous posts have mostly focused on how a big deal it has become in the US, but a new Barclays report shows it’s now a growing phenomenon in Europe as well.

    Barclays has previously estimated that a big fat portfolio trade now hits the US fixed-income market every seven minutes, with volumes topping $1tn annually. Portfolio trading now accounts for as much as a quarter of investment-grade corporate bond trading, and a sixth of junk bond trading.

    Calculating the same in Europe is tricky because of the lack of any consolidated tape of bond trades (though that’s about to change) so the UK’s bank’s analysts used an algorithmic approach to identify probable portfolio trades and get a rough estimate.

    Barclays found that total annual volumes probably topped €250bn in 2024. In frequency, that equates to a portfolio trade happening every 20 minutes on average, down from every 33 minutes just two years ago.

    It has become particularly prevalent in investment grade, euro-denominated corporate bond market, where portfolio trading now accounts for 11 per cent of all trading volume. In sterling bonds and euro high yield it has reached a 9 per cent and 7 per cent market share respectively.

    Most portfolio trades identified by Barclays happened on electronic platforms like Tradeweb, and involved about 60 bonds worth a total of €40mn on average.

    That’s lower than the $50-60mn average in the US, but this is maybe less than you you’d expect, given how much larger and more liquid the US corporate bond market is, and how developed portfolio trading is becoming there.

    Zornitsa Todorova, head of thematic fixed income research at Barclays, reckons that portfolio trading volumes in Europe will roughly double to account for about 20 per cent of all dealer-to-client volumes within the next three years.

    How big a deal is all this? Well, pretty big if you’re a bond fund manager.

    Index-tracking fixed income vehicles often use portfolio trades to rejig their exposures, but it has become a hugely valuable tool for active managers as well, as Todorova highlights. Her emphases below:

    Our analysis attributed the majority of portfolio trading volumes in Europe to active investors, though we found that passive investors do use PTs to rebalance portfolios at month-end and to manage inflows and outflows intra-month by buying or selling a ‘slice’ of their holdings that closely resembles the index they track. In addition to these use cases, active managers also frequently use PTs to adjust their portfolios towards specific credit risk dimensions, such as rating, sector or maturity, along with hedging and de-risking.

    The fact that active investors are the marginal consumers of PT liquidity is significant for several reasons. Unlike passive investors, who track an index, active investors, in particular open-end mutual funds, frequently trade bonds and depend on liquidity to efficiently enter and exit positions. These investors set marginal prices when they trade, influencing bond spreads and market depth. Their activity also impacts liquidity risk premia, as bonds with lower liquidity command higher yields.

    Portfolio trading has the potential to transform credit markets in several ways: by adding more volume to the market, it improves liquidity, lowers the barrier to entry for new investors, and enables new strategies, such as systematic credit.

    Further reading:
    — ETFs are eating the bond market (FTAV)

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  • Banking’s critical functions are vanishing into the cloud

    Banking’s critical functions are vanishing into the cloud

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    There are some things in global finance which you really shouldn’t look at too closely if you value your sanity. Repo and money markets would definitely be one. But even the banking system’s funding arrangements are benign compared to the Lovecraftian horror of their IT outsourcing, because there’s no central bank to guarantee a happy ending. As one senior bank supervisor put it a few years ago, there is no such thing as a database provider of last resort.

    In other words, Hell is empty, and all the demons are in the ECB Outsourcing Register. The annual “horizontal review” from the ECB’s Banking Supervision committee was published last week. Do you want to know what proportion of “critical functions” are not compliant with basic regulatory guidelines? It’s just under 10 per cent. The average number of “critical” service providers per large bank? Fifty-eight per cent. What’s the average number of subcontractors on the average banking industry outsourcing contract? Four and a bit. What proportion of critical outsourcing providers would be “easy” to replace in the event of a problem? Just 17.7 per cent, although the good news is that the proportion which would be “impossible” to replace is now 8.6 per cent — the remainder are apparently “difficult”.

    © ECB

    Whatever the opposite of “setting your mind at rest” might be, that’s what it does to consider the extent to which the European banking system (and it’s unlikely that the US or UK are any better) relies on a complicated web of supply chains for software-as-a-service, offsite data centres and other euphemisms for “other people’s computers”. It’s all driven by the growth of cloud computing, of course — cloud now makes up more than a fifth of the total, having grown 13.5 per cent in the last year (and the ECB’s report is based mainly on data as of the end of 2023, so it is likely to be even more important now).

    © ECB

    The growing role of cloud contracts has meant that European banks are, more than ever, dependent not only on a small number of outsourcing providers (30 firms account for half the total spend), but on non-EU firms. Within these top-30 firms, slightly more than 50 per cent of contracts are with companies whose ultimate parent is a US corporation.

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    Which raises a bit of an issue for Europe, as it starts to worry about strategic independence in a world of heightened geopolitical tension. As Henry Farrell and Abe Newman pointed out in their book Underground Empire, the US controls a number of systems of “weaponised interdependence”, of which two of the most important are the global dollar banking system and the internet. However, it seems that the interaction of finance and distributed computing might have created a third; the Euro area banking system (including the payment rails over which any future central bank digital currency will have to run) is highly dependent on server farms which might be physically located in Europe, but whose owners might ultimately answer to a foreign power.

    If you’re looking for a crumb of comfort, it might be that the regulatory definition of a “critical function” in this context is quite expansive; it doesn’t necessarily mean that an executive order could switch off the whole European financial system. But the trouble with the system as it’s currently set up is that it’s practically impossible to say anything about the true level of risk with any degree of confidence.

    (* Editorial note to pedants: the FT style guide says data is singular.)

  • We did a fancy exhibition of charts. Here’s how to get your hands on one of them

    We did a fancy exhibition of charts. Here’s how to get your hands on one of them

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    FT Alphaville’s inaugural Art of the Chart show landed last week, with hundreds of enthusiasts turning up for some dataviz delight.

    With the immeasurable support of the FT’s graphics desk, helmed by data supremo Alan Smith, we put 24 of the finest, freshest, fanciest charts on display at A1 size inside London’s stunning St Bartholomew the Great church. Finance dominated the chartfest, but there was also plenty of economics, business, demographics and other good stuff (plus some non-good stuff).

    Almost all of the charts were bought at auction by exhibition-goers, raising around £3,500 — which will be donated the FT Financial Literacy and Inclusion Campaign as soon as we can find a big-enough duffel bag. Three are still up for auction — details on how you can get your hands on them can be found below.

    © All photos by FTAV director of flatpacking Louis Ashworth

    As well as traditional paper charts, Alan and co. masterminded a multimedia corner, with visitors able to watch a version of the FT’s sonic yield curve set to church bells, and try out a virtual reality version of the Phillips machine via an Apple Vision Pro.

    Alan Smith, possibly doing a T-Rex impression

    Naturally, any attempt to show these charts here would be a pale imitation of the in-the-flesh experience, given how much smaller than A1 whatever screen you’re reading this is probably is (we can’t believe we’re getting to roll this graphic out again) . . .

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    . . . but here goes anyway (with apologies to mobile users). Scroll sideways to see them all:

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    As mentioned above, three of the charts haven’t set been sold. If you would like to bid for any of them (black wooden frame with glass front included), please submit a bid of at least £75 to [email protected] by this Friday 7 March.

    Here are the ones that are still available:

    How Trump triumphed:

    The new guard:

    Why chickens prefers log scales:

    Personally we think the chicken one would be lovely in a paleo kitchen or a loo with an intimidating aura. Highest bid received by the deadline wins, and the money goes to charity, so don’t hold back.

    Please note that you won’t receive the chart for a couple of weeks, as they’ll all temporarily be on display elsewhere, but we’ll get it/them to you as soon as possible.

    The Art of the Chart will return. Until then, scratch that itch via our Friday charts quiz? We’re still accepting guesses until ca midday today.

  • What is an AppLovin?

    What is an AppLovin?

    A sell-off has taken more than $30bn in market cap off of AppLovin in the past week, a notable slide for a momentum-y stock that was (very briefly) talked about in the same breath as the Magnificent Seven.

    That raises the question of what, exactly, AppLovin is and what it does. Here are a few things we know:

    • The firm was formerly backed by KKR, and was at one point a mobile-gaming company. This is perhaps the easiest-to-understand part of its business.

    • It’s now focusing on advertising, after this month announcing plans to sell its mobile-gaming division for $900mn to a private acquirer.

    • This advertising business involves serving pop-up ads to people who play mobile games. The ads themselves are for mobile games.

    • It also threw some ecommerce advertising into the mix late last year, but didn’t report exactly how much.

    • AppLovin was trading at 75 times next year’s earnings as of Feb 14, according to FactSet.

    • Its advertising sales growth is indeed compelling. Its advertising revenue grew 75 per cent in 2024 from the year before, according to the company’s latest quarterly report.

    • A bunch of short sellers are sceptical about the sustainability of that growth, and have recently published reports about it.

    • The company is now trading at just 45 times next year’s earnings. The Nasdaq Composite is trading at a 27 multiple.

    After this, things get a little dicey to parse.

    One of the short reports, from Culper Research, takes issue with the legitimacy of the app downloads that help power its revenue.

    Here are Culper’s claims, if we’re understanding correctly: AppLovin sponsors an “AppHub” on some phones’ operating systems. And on those phones, at least some of AppLovin’s clients’ games can “bind” to the “AppHub” to download other games on to their phones, with just one click and no additional confirmation.

    For the people playing the games developed by Applovin’s customers, it’s easy to see why all of this could be a bit frustrating, if Culper is correct. The gameplayer is already forced to look at an advertisement and interrupt their semi-meditative tapping. And mobile games necessarily involve touching a screen, so if this is indeed happening, an unintentional tap could prompt an immediate app download. It’s not exactly unauthorised, per se, but it’s certainly a departure from what smartphone users have come to expect.

    This could certainly be grouped with other less-than-ideal experiences for mobile gamers — except that the company does “performance advertising”, which means that it’s paid when someone downloads a game, or spends money in the game.

    The company’s CEO responded to the short sellers’ notes with a statement that says the reports are “littered with inaccuracies”, and seeks to assure investors that all of its platforms, and the games it promotes, comply with App Store policies.

    AppLovin also had a call with sell-side stock analysts on Wednesday, according to a note from Bank of America. In that call, the CEO assured analysts that the direct-download business was “never a major growth revenue driver,” the analysts wrote. They summarised his comments as saying “AppLovin’s [direct download] revenues are de minimis”.

    BofA analyst Omar Dessouky told Alphaville that the direct-download business are distinct and totally separate from in-game downloads, and that competitors Digital Turbine and Unity have a big head-start on that business. As for the App Store policies, there seem to be enough complaints about other companies doing it that the practice isn’t being censured (this one, for example, seems to be about Digital Turbine).

    That doesn’t necessarily mean one-click downloading can’t be used within games, however, which seems to be one of Culper’s main arguments. And despite its moat, Digital Turbine is trading at, uh . . . 9 times next year’s estimated earnings, according to FactSet. As we mentioned above, AppLovin is trading at 45 times.

    Another question raised by the short reports is the company’s relationship with members of the “Mag 7”, and especially Meta (née Facebook). But those questions seem to really stem from this interesting Business Insider piece from December.

    According to BI, industry executives and competitors — who may have an axe to grind, to be fair — have raised eyebrows at AppLovin’s ecommerce expansion. From BI:

    AppLovin is only inviting ecommerce advertisers that spend upward of $20,000 a day on Meta ads to try its product, and it’s incentivizing some of those buyers with $10,000 ad credits, multiple industry insiders told BI . . . 

    In his chat with Alphaville, Bank of America’s Dessouky said Meta is the destination for about 80 per cent of ecommerce ad spending, so that’s an easy way to ensure these ecommerce clients will be worth the expense of onboarding.

    [Jeremy Sonne, founder of AI marketing tech co Simbiant] said he’d seen an “extremely high correlation” between when AppLovin sees a spike in conversions and when Meta sees an increase in ad spend. He said he hadn’t seen a similar trend when comparing Meta and Google or AppLovin and Google.

    He said that made him wonder if AppLovin was driving real incremental value or whether its campaigns were just reaching the exact same audience as Meta in some way.

    He said he’d also seen a “concerning overlap” where Shopify sales purportedly driven by AppLovin have a very high geographic overlap with where Meta ad website traffic was coming from.

    Now, this is all interesting, but it sort of dodges the fact that AppLovin’s biggest business has been advertising mobile games within other mobile games.

    And it is odd to see just how popular it is on the sell-side for a company that — lest we forget — is mostly the marketing equivalent of a Matryoshka doll. Digital Turbine, for all of its supposed moat, is thinly covered by analysts. Dessouky downgraded it to “underperform” last November citing “increased competition”.

    AppLovin, on the other hand, has 19 buy-equivalent ratings out of 27 analysts covering the stock, according to FactSet.

    Are mobile games really that popular? Like . . . $109bn market cap that used to be $170bn popular?

    The BI article raises another interesting point that probably isn’t related to its Wall Street popularity, but maybe could be related to its Wall Street popularity, given the Times We Live In. BI’s reporter closed out the story quoting some speculation about whether AppLovin could eventually acquire a social network — Snap was the example cited — to increase its reach to non-gaming customers.

    AppLovin did just do a deal, though. Here are the terms, with its 4Q earnings report. With our emphasis:

    On February 12, 2025, the Company announced that it had entered into a term sheet for the sale of the Company’s mobile gaming business to a privately held company (the “Acquirer”) for total consideration of $900 million (the “Term Sheet”). The Term Sheet provides for the total consideration to consist of $400 million in shares of the Acquirer’s common equity and $500 million in cash, subject to customary purchase price adjustments.

    The Term Sheet also provides that the Acquirer will borrow up to $250 million of the cash portion of the total consideration and that, if the Acquirer is unable to obtain such financing, the Company agrees to provide financing in such amount to the Acquirer through the issuance of a promissory note. The Term Sheet is non-binding, except with respect to an agreement by the parties to use commercially reasonable best efforts in good faith to negotiate and finalize definitive agreements for the proposed transaction, a prohibition on the Company engaging in discussions or negotiations with any third party other than the Acquirer regarding the sale of the Company’s mobile gaming business for a specified period, and customary terms such as fees and expenses, governing law, and termination.

    So if we’re understanding this correctly, out of that $900mn sale . . . $250mn will be funded with cash that the undisclosed acquiring company has on hand. Fair enough.

    And sure, it seems fine that $400mn will be funded with equity (ie AppLovin taking an equity stake in the acquirer). But it seems like, in that case, it could be important to know what company it is. And if the acquirer can’t secure the financing to complete its purchase, AppLovin will provide that funding itself, by issuing the acquirer a promissory note. Interesting stuff.

    But hey, JPMorgan’s fixed-income analysts say that investors should buy AppLovin’s bonds, citing the company’s introduction of a 2x leverage target in 3Q of last year. Since then it been upgraded to investment-grade status by S&P Ratings and Fitch. On top of its roughly $3.5bn in outstanding paper, another $250mn won’t make a huge dent, right? Though presumably a giant Snap-style acquisition, if funded by cash/debt, would push its leverage up.

    That sorts it out, right?? Any questions??